If you’re an osu! player, you probably already know about this. A famous osu! player, Cookiezi, recently started streaming on his twitch channel (shigetora) after about 1.5yrs since he was banned. osu!community went to bananas when the ones who received the email about him starting his stream and telling others about it on the chat. Guess what the osu! staff did. Censor the URL to Cookiezi’s channel to http://osu.ppy.sh ! Nice interest in free speech, I see. Anyway, that’s the topic for another blog post (eventually). Apart from this slightly off-topic note, I’d like to say, or more specifically rant, about my thoughts on the matter.
What I found the most funny was how the osu! community interpreted that as “Hey guys I’m cookiezi and i want to be back playing on osu!”, and not as “I’m streaming some osu!”. Guess what happened? A petition on change.org. Boy, I’ve seen some serious shitposting over that website, but this seriously beats them all. And now, peppy adds on his twitter ignore list with #FreeReimu #FreeCookiezi
People who follow peppy’s blog probably know about the blog post he did on the 23rd. What was important wasn’t the core of the post itself, rather than the last warning, peppy’s sole real announcement about the facts that happened since Sunday.
Finally, I’d like to add a personal warning: I know a lot of you may be spending your recent days watching a famous osu! player “play”, but I ask you to be wary and don’t jump to conclusions. There’s nothing to prove you aren’t just watching a bot or cheater playing. Also, please, don’t spam my email or twitter asking me to consider unbanning other players. Do not bother making petitions. Bans are between our team and the player in question. In this particular case I’m willing to add that the “player” sent me (personally) and the support team a series of rude emails which were both out of character of someone of their calibre, and not appropriate to even begin the appeal process. Be careful who you idolise and realise when it’s time to move on.
Woah, are you serious? Two things to go into bananas for, in one week! Of course, as a normie that I am, I opened up disqus and started typing a wall of text. An extremely huge wall of text, which outlines what I think about the matter of Cookiezi.
I agree with you on the matter of the “famous player”. Ok, I do agree he does indeed seems to be back, at least streaming, but where is the actual proof it’s really him? It could be any other player that has found a way to get his stream key, either without him knowing or even volountarily from the “famous player” to create a shitstorm on osu!. Proving this, there are also two other facts that made other people think that he might not actually be him that have already been discussed around.
What I’ve personally hated since I’ve really started to take part in the community was how people couldn’t even consider that there might ever be a better player than him. Are we serious? About two years have passed since he was banned, yet people still think he’s unbeatable? What about all the other players and scores that have been done over the last two years, are they nothing because now he has come back and is now back on everyone’s mouth again? I don’t believe so. Time passes, it’s time to look forward: he’s now part of the past, and probably won’t get back with his account anytime soon.
What I’d like to end with, is that all the petitions and the unban requests stuff are for what? What I mean is, he did not ever say he wanted to get his osu! account back, he just did a stream on twitch. I consider people doing the unban requests wasting their time: if he doesn’t do a ban appeal himself, all requests are basically useless and wasted time.
Yeah. Only later the next day I realized some mistakes here and there in what I wrote, but whatever.
peppy didn’t seem woken up enough to give an adeguate response too, as he only answered:
I agree, and also believe there are many players beter than them out there.
Of course, that still wouldn’t feed my need of flaming a bit. A saviour was then sent out there to give me an hand!
The problem itself with him was that he left a gap so large between himself and 2nd place, that it’s TAKEN 2 years to fill it. This is the main thing. rrtyui took many, many tries before a full combo on Big Black (The “bar” for back then). The said player took 15 minutes to get a FC, intentionally missing the last note. That was the gap then. That’s why he was, and probably still is, idolized. He was also the first person show some ridiculous accuracy with AR10 HR maps. His most famous being Air Man.
The issue with your opening statement is quite clear, and it “could” be someone else, but the problem is that it’s the same setup, same style, same everything on-stream, as it was 2 years ago. If someone went to the trouble to replicate that, I’d buy them a hell of a lot of beer. Stealing a stream key (After so long, a stream key expires, so his account needed to be “hacked”) is hard as it is.
Give it a month for when the user gets back into the game, and I’m fairly certain, we’ll see a shift again in the rankings. He left being able to consistently and accurately stream at 240bpm without an issue, let’s see if he can get back into the game and replicate said accuracy. With his track record, I think we’re about to see the top players get a wake up call, because farming maps with HDHR will soon become redundant in showing some sort of skill.
Oh, well well. Perfect timing for a nice flame! So I did a comment… this time even longer. Boy, how long is this post going to be!
I did not have a chance to see his livestreams, due to the fact that I think it was just a month after I joined that he got banned. Anyway, on youtube a lot of videos from his livestreams have been uploaded, and in order to reply to your exposed flaw in my initial statement, I’ll take an old one and a new one as reference.
What I mainly have to say is that it’s not the same “setup, same style, same everything on-stream”. First of all, skin. It’s quite obvious that he has changed his skin since the streams from two years ago. If I were to quit osu! and then come back two years later with a new skin and still manage to do scores perfectly, then there are two chances: I’m a wizard, or I’ve been always playing osu! since I quitted. Taking the second case as a chance, I’d then like to contradict rumors with rumors: as I’ve plenty of friends who are big fans of the said player, they obliged me to see some videos at time, one of which, I remember, said that “he wasn’t playing osu! anymore, but he was playing another rhythm game”… I think it was sound voltex, but I’m not sure. Still talking about the skin, what I noticed is that it has plenty of elements from newer skins… I’m not sure if the skin he’s using in his streams is one of another player, but if it isn’t, then it has some combined elements from a lot of modern skins that weren’t around at his times.
Plenty of other stuff can only be known by him if he has played in the time being, for instance the Smoke effect. If he was active during the time he was banned and didn’t stream, I doubt he would actually delete his osu! folder and create a new instance just for going live. Then again, conjecture, since it’s still possible that he did such a non-sense thing, but still seems weird and is added on top of the other elements, which make it even more weird to make it look like it’s actually him. Let’s add also how he magically improved his English skills in the past two years and the donations. People say it’s a joke, but if it wasn’t, it would be weird, really weird. By the way, donations for… a webcam to show him playing? Didn’t he have it already? Oh yeah, sure! Of course! He sold it! Well, if I were him I’d still keep it as it could’ve become pretty useful in some events, take for instance making a SVX liveplay. But oh well, just another coincidence, isn’t it? :)
(P. s.: as I’ve read through someone’s ask.fm profile (this person is known for knowing a lot the player, and by also providing him his skin if I’m correct), he said that “in 2014 he wasn’t playing much” - well, a bit of a +1 to both of our theories, isn’t it?)
If it is for the gameplay style that you believe it’s him, you probably want to know that if we’re convinced of something, nothing’s likely going to stop us, unless it’s really evidently contradicting what we think and we can’t reply with anything. We ignore things that contradict our theory, and exagerate the meaning of other. It’s exactly what I’m doing with what I’m thinking (it’s not him, and I’m finding all the flaws leading to think it’s not him) and what you’re thinking (you think it’s him and your finding all the points leading to think it is indeed him).
Getting to the second part. Stealing a steam key can be done in a lot of ways, but this is not what I want to get to. In my OP I also stated that someone could have found a way to his stream key without the player being aware it… or also with him being aware. That is lending someone’s his stream key. On an ask.fm profile of a source that is being said to be very trustworthy, it is written that the said player has written on his twitter account that he was going to stream. This adds again a bit of a agreement to both of our theories, meaning that he could have indeed streamed and have announced it before he was going to do it, or also that he could have given the stream key to someone else on purpose in order to create a shitstorm, therefore announcing it on twitter would create even more of a shitstorm, wouldn’t it?
That being said, seeing things objectively, your theory is in advantage with the standing facts - it’s more likely that it’s indeed him. But it probably is a 60% / 40% probability respectively between the two of us: there is still a strong chance that it’s not him, as I’ve proved in this comment, and that’s what I strongly believe in. You’re free to believe in what you wish, but don’t always believe in everything you hear, what you think and what others say: it might be not like it. Don’t be 100% sure of anything unless you have undeniably seen it with your own eyes.
woah, sorry for the wall of text.
Still waiting for this comment to be approved. This is gun be gud. Anyway, as you can see I do not believe that he is cookiezi. Too many things say otherwise. And I think “it’s the same playstyle! it’s him!!!!” are merely subjective opinions. All the other flaws have been pointed out in the last comment. And “no-one is able to do those scores!!!” - who tells you not. Someone might be, hidden in the shadows. Eventually Hakurei Reimu, who knows? :)
That being said, feel free to point out any flaw in my logic in the underneath comments, I’ll be glad to reply. Now, m’ladies, I’ll head to a magical place called “bed”.
UPDATE 04/12/2015: You might have not noticed this article is from June 2015. At the time it still wasn’t so obvious it was him, for me at least, and that’s why I wrote all this stuff. In the course of time, my points of view of course have changed: just after a few months since I wrote this post I fully believed it was legitimately Cookiezi.